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Old 08-05-2012, 11:23 PM   #1
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according to BMW NA the new F80 M3 will not be offered in a manual. instead it will have a 7spd DCT only. it will also be a turbo charged I-6 offering 450hp and 350FTLB torque instead of the V8 which put out 414hp. Is BMW moving away from 3 pedals. Any thoughts on this matter?
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Old 08-05-2012, 11:30 PM   #2
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Im young, but I truly think it's sad. Yes there may be less errors in an automatic, but the joy of driving stick really makes it a drivers car. BMW is becoming too embedded in technology overall in my opinion. Like the iDrive system... its annoying, not necessary, and a distraction.
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Old 08-05-2012, 11:40 PM   #3
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I think they are losing sales by not offering a manual transmission.
Whether or not technology in SMGs and such can shift faster or all the other bs facts...manual is manual is manual. I would not buy an M series car with anything but 3 pedals
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Old 08-05-2012, 11:43 PM   #5
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You mean 7 speed DCT?

I don't mind the SMG or DCT, but I think there are quite a few core buyers that would still want a traditional manual, and not offering it says a lot about the car, the company, and what it believe are its most profitable customers. I think it's a pretty bad move denying customers a manual transmission option.
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I think they are losing sales by not offering a manual transmission.
Whether or not technology in SMGs and such can shift faster or all the other bs facts...manual is manual is manual. I would not buy an M series car with anything but 3 pedals
Not everyone is a fanatic. Remember that recent poll indicating that 80% of 1-Series owners didn't know if their car was FWD or RWD? With those kinds of numbers, worryingly, it seems plausible that the "typical" M-customer might not care for a manual transmission.

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Not everyone is a fanatic. Remember that recent poll indicating that 80% of 1-Series owners didn't know if their car was FWD or RWD? With those kinds of numbers, worryingly, it seems plausible that the "typical" M-customer might not care for a manual transmission.

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WTF?! are you kidding?
how does one even know how to drive in the snow if they don't know which are the drive wheels?
oh yeah i forgot, 99% of people driving in the snow are MORONS and have no idea what they're doing.

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You mean 7 speed DCT?

I don't mind the SMG or DCT, but I think there are quite a few core buyers that would still want a traditional manual, and not offering it says a lot about the car, the company, and what it believe are its most profitable customers. I think it's a pretty bad move denying customers a manual transmission option.
corrected. latest issue of automobile mag. has a full writeup and picts of the new F80 M3 sedan
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according to BMW NA the new F80 M3 will not be offered in a manual. instead it will have a 7spd smg only. it will also be a turbo charged I-6 offering 450hp and 350FTLB torque instead of the V8 which put out 414hp. Is BMW moving away from 3 pedals. Any thoughts on this matter?
What is your source? Within the last week I read an article from C&D(I think) stating that the manual was being dropped from the M5, but the boss of M stated that the M3 would retain its manual.
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WTF?! are you kidding?
how does one even know how to drive in the snow if they don't know which are the drive wheels?
oh yeah i forgot, 99% of people driving in the snow are MORONS and have no idea what they're doing.

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Pretty sure you mean OP, but here is my source just in case. http://www.worldcarfans.com/11003222...-a-front-wheel

Think about it. BMW has to build cars for us and people who don't care about their cars. Which population do you think is a bigger sale?
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Pretty sure you mean OP, but here is my source just in case. http://www.worldcarfans.com/11003222...-a-front-wheel

Think about it. BMW has to build cars for us and people who don't care about their cars. Which population do you think is a bigger sale?
yeah i meant the OP
and yes i understand needing to appeal to a mass market to make sales. and it's truly sad that even bmw is becoming cookie cutter.
it seems you really need to spend big moneys these days to get a brand that makes little sacrifices when it comes to design and performance.
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WTF?! are you kidding?
how does one even know how to drive in the snow if they don't know which are the drive wheels?
oh yeah i forgot, 99% of people driving in the snow are MORONS and have no idea what they're doing.

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Lol. The entire world doesn't get covered in snow. I can name hundreds of people who can't install tire chains
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That's it, guys. I finally buy into the premise of this trailer.
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yeah i meant the OP
and yes i understand needing to appeal to a mass market to make sales. and it's truly sad that even bmw is becoming cookie cutter.
it seems you really need to spend big moneys these days to get a brand that makes little sacrifices when it comes to design and performance.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is Porsche just about the only mass-market "purist" car company nowadays? I thought BMW had that distinction as well, until this
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If no one is buying manual cars then why would they offer it. Fact is, no one buys them anymore. Hell, all of you have gone through the rigmarole to find a manual BMW from the last TWENTY years, let alone now. How many manual M3's are there on the market as opposed to SMG, Auto and DCT from the last twenty years.
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Lol. The entire world doesn't get covered in snow. I can name hundreds of people who can't install tire chains
I can't install chains, but I drive in the snow at least once every winter... Most of my confidence in the snow is thanks to my manual transmission, go figure. It saddens me that I'll have to move onto another brand one day when I want a "new" car
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Show your source. Scott26 from Bimmerpost has personally said that the F80 will have manual. Also, manual test mules have been seen around. Even here in the US.

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I can't install chains, but I drive in the snow at least once every winter... Most of my confidence in the snow is thanks to my manual transmission, go figure. It saddens me that I'll have to move onto another brand one day when I want a "new" car
Unfortunately I happen to have slowtronic but I drive in chicago winter just fine without snow tires you just gotta be gentler at times I guess
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