F80 m3

swaggerwagon · 08-05-2012, 11:23 PM

according to BMW NA the new F80 M3 will not be offered in a manual. instead it will have a 7spd DCT only. it will also be a turbo charged I-6 offering 450hp and 350FTLB torque instead of the V8 which put out 414hp. Is BMW moving away from 3 pedals. Any thoughts on this matter?

Jonshmoe · 08-05-2012, 11:30 PM

Im young, but I truly think it's sad. Yes there may be less errors in an automatic, but the joy of driving stick really makes it a drivers car. BMW is becoming too embedded in technology overall in my opinion. Like the iDrive system... its annoying, not necessary, and a distraction.

KrasivataSabine · 08-05-2012, 11:40 PM

Ultimate driving machine, my ass.
I'll have to see it to believe it.

WGSteve · 08-05-2012, 11:42 PM

I think they are losing sales by not offering a manual transmission.
Whether or not technology in SMGs and such can shift faster or all the other bs facts...manual is manual is manual. I would not buy an M series car with anything but 3 pedals

mkodama · 08-05-2012, 11:43 PM

Source?

You mean 7 speed DCT?

I don't mind the SMG or DCT, but I think there are quite a few core buyers that would still want a traditional manual, and not offering it says a lot about the car, the company, and what it believe are its most profitable customers. I think it's a pretty bad move denying customers a manual transmission option.

KrasivataSabine · 08-05-2012, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WGSteve

I think they are losing sales by not offering a manual transmission.
Whether or not technology in SMGs and such can shift faster or all the other bs facts...manual is manual is manual. I would not buy an M series car with anything but 3 pedals

Not everyone is a fanatic. Remember that recent poll indicating that 80% of 1-Series owners didn't know if their car was FWD or RWD? With those kinds of numbers, worryingly, it seems plausible that the "typical" M-customer might not care for a manual transmission.

OP, source?

peytonracer4 · 08-05-2012, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrasivataSabine

Not everyone is a fanatic. Remember that recent poll indicating that 80% of 1-Series owners didn't know if their car was FWD or RWD? With those kinds of numbers, worryingly, it seems plausible that the "typical" M-customer might not care for a manual transmission.

OP, source?

WTF?! are you kidding?
how does one even know how to drive in the snow if they don't know which are the drive wheels?
oh yeah i forgot, 99% of people driving in the snow are MORONS and have no idea what they're doing.

in for source.

swaggerwagon · 08-05-2012, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkodama

Source?

You mean 7 speed DCT?

I don't mind the SMG or DCT, but I think there are quite a few core buyers that would still want a traditional manual, and not offering it says a lot about the car, the company, and what it believe are its most profitable customers. I think it's a pretty bad move denying customers a manual transmission option.

corrected. latest issue of automobile mag. has a full writeup and picts of the new F80 M3 sedan

bigloser · 08-05-2012, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swaggerwagon

according to BMW NA the new F80 M3 will not be offered in a manual. instead it will have a 7spd smg only. it will also be a turbo charged I-6 offering 450hp and 350FTLB torque instead of the V8 which put out 414hp. Is BMW moving away from 3 pedals. Any thoughts on this matter?

What is your source? Within the last week I read an article from C&D(I think) stating that the manual was being dropped from the M5, but the boss of M stated that the M3 would retain its manual.

KrasivataSabine · 08-05-2012, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peytonracer4

WTF?! are you kidding?
how does one even know how to drive in the snow if they don't know which are the drive wheels?
oh yeah i forgot, 99% of people driving in the snow are MORONS and have no idea what they're doing.

in for source.

Pretty sure you mean OP, but here is my source just in case. http://www.worldcarfans.com/11003222...-a-front-wheel

Think about it. BMW has to build cars for us and people who don't care about their cars. Which population do you think is a bigger sale?

peytonracer4 · 08-05-2012, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrasivataSabine

Pretty sure you mean OP, but here is my source just in case. http://www.worldcarfans.com/11003222...-a-front-wheel

Think about it. BMW has to build cars for us and people who don't care about their cars. Which population do you think is a bigger sale?

yeah i meant the OP
and yes i understand needing to appeal to a mass market to make sales. and it's truly sad that even bmw is becoming cookie cutter.
it seems you really need to spend big moneys these days to get a brand that makes little sacrifices when it comes to design and performance.

B_Cyrus · 08-05-2012, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peytonracer4

WTF?! are you kidding?
how does one even know how to drive in the snow if they don't know which are the drive wheels?
oh yeah i forgot, 99% of people driving in the snow are MORONS and have no idea what they're doing.

in for source.

Lol. The entire world doesn't get covered in snow. I can name hundreds of people who can't install tire chains

KrasivataSabine · 08-05-2012, 11:59 PM

That's it, guys. I finally buy into the premise of this trailer.
It's been a damn good run.

swaggerwagon · 08-06-2012, 12:02 AM

The article is at work and i will upload it tomorrow

KrasivataSabine · 08-06-2012, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peytonracer4

yeah i meant the OP
and yes i understand needing to appeal to a mass market to make sales. and it's truly sad that even bmw is becoming cookie cutter.
it seems you really need to spend big moneys these days to get a brand that makes little sacrifices when it comes to design and performance.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is Porsche just about the only mass-market "purist" car company nowadays? I thought BMW had that distinction as well, until this

Russian172 · 08-06-2012, 12:12 AM

now days bmw is designed by dolce and gabana and made in china

trive2 · 08-06-2012, 12:20 AM

If no one is buying manual cars then why would they offer it. Fact is, no one buys them anymore. Hell, all of you have gone through the rigmarole to find a manual BMW from the last TWENTY years, let alone now. How many manual M3's are there on the market as opposed to SMG, Auto and DCT from the last twenty years.

EverydayGetaway · 08-06-2012, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by B_Cyrus

Lol. The entire world doesn't get covered in snow. I can name hundreds of people who can't install tire chains

I can't install chains, but I drive in the snow at least once every winter...

Most of my confidence in the snow is thanks to my manual transmission, go figure. It saddens me that I'll have to move onto another brand one day when I want a "new" car

Gheybe · 08-06-2012, 12:38 AM

Show your source. Scott26 from Bimmerpost has personally said that the F80 will have manual. Also, manual test mules have been seen around. Even here in the US.

Show your source.

Russian172 · 08-06-2012, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EverydayGetaway

I can't install chains, but I drive in the snow at least once every winter...

Most of my confidence in the snow is thanks to my manual transmission, go figure. It saddens me that I'll have to move onto another brand one day when I want a "new" car

Unfortunately I happen to have slowtronic but I drive in chicago winter just fine without snow tires you just gotta be gentler at times I guess

08-05-2012, 11:23 PM	#1
swaggerwagon Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Location: charlotte Posts: 259 My Ride: 2005 330i	F80 m3 according to BMW NA the new F80 M3 will not be offered in a manual. instead it will have a 7spd DCT only. it will also be a turbo charged I-6 offering 450hp and 350FTLB torque instead of the V8 which put out 414hp. Is BMW moving away from 3 pedals. Any thoughts on this matter? __________________ 330i ZHP 3 Pedals FTW BMW ADP student Ebay headers \| Long tube CAI \| modbargains ///M pedal covers \| SS clutch line \| CDV removed \| Turner camber arms \| Meyle HD FCABs \| uuc poly motor/trans mounts \| Eurospec Muffler \| Clutch masters Stage 2 with aluminum flywheel \| Coilover kit \| CSL front bumper \| Z4m shifter Last edited by swaggerwagon; 08-05-2012 at 11:52 PM.

08-05-2012, 11:30 PM	#2
Jonshmoe Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Coral Springs, Florida Posts: 826 My Ride: (GONE)	Im young, but I truly think it's sad. Yes there may be less errors in an automatic, but the joy of driving stick really makes it a drivers car. BMW is becoming too embedded in technology overall in my opinion. Like the iDrive system... its annoying, not necessary, and a distraction. __________________ _MG_2882 by Sam Sklar Photography, on Flickr

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KrasivataSabine Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Del Puerto Canyon Drive, CA Posts: 590 My Ride: 323Ci	Ultimate driving machine, my ass. I'll have to see it to believe it. __________________

08-05-2012, 11:43 PM	#5
mkodama Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 30,923	Source? You mean 7 speed DCT? I don't mind the SMG or DCT, but I think there are quite a few core buyers that would still want a traditional manual, and not offering it says a lot about the car, the company, and what it believe are its most profitable customers. I think it's a pretty bad move denying customers a manual transmission option. Last edited by mkodama; 08-05-2012 at 11:48 PM.

08-05-2012, 11:59 PM	#13
KrasivataSabine Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Del Puerto Canyon Drive, CA Posts: 590 My Ride: 323Ci	That's it, guys. I finally buy into the premise of this trailer. It's been a damn good run. __________________

08-05-2012, 11:42 PM	#4
WGSteve Registered User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: San Diego Posts: 7 My Ride: 03' 330ci	I think they are losing sales by not offering a manual transmission. Whether or not technology in SMGs and such can shift faster or all the other bs facts...manual is manual is manual. I would not buy an M series car with anything but 3 pedals

08-06-2012, 12:02 AM	#14
swaggerwagon Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Location: charlotte Posts: 259 My Ride: 2005 330i	The article is at work and i will upload it tomorrow __________________ 330i ZHP 3 Pedals FTW BMW ADP student Ebay headers \| Long tube CAI \| modbargains ///M pedal covers \| SS clutch line \| CDV removed \| Turner camber arms \| Meyle HD FCABs \| uuc poly motor/trans mounts \| Eurospec Muffler \| Clutch masters Stage 2 with aluminum flywheel \| Coilover kit \| CSL front bumper \| Z4m shifter

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Russian172 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Aurora, IL Posts: 1,119 My Ride: Flying brick	now days bmw is designed by dolce and gabana and made in china __________________ Need a bearing tool in Chicago-land ?http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=964450 Find bmw wheel style here http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=987999

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trive2 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Brisbane Posts: 989 My Ride: 1989 BMW 535i	If no one is buying manual cars then why would they offer it. Fact is, no one buys them anymore. Hell, all of you have gone through the rigmarole to find a manual BMW from the last TWENTY years, let alone now. How many manual M3's are there on the market as opposed to SMG, Auto and DCT from the last twenty years. __________________

08-06-2012, 12:38 AM	#19
Gheybe Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: San Diego/Santa Barbara Posts: 10,051 My Ride: C6 Z06	Show your source. Scott26 from Bimmerpost has personally said that the F80 will have manual. Also, manual test mules have been seen around. Even here in the US. Show your source. __________________ Gabe gabrielmilori.com

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